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  You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion When:

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  here is a list i've started...but hope will be added to.. .

  you know you are in the wrong religion when:.

  1. the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

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  Ultimate Axiom

  When you have to surrender your conscience to another man.

  When you are not allowed to think for yourself.

  When you tell everyone else they must question their religion, but you are forbiden to question your own.

  When you ar in any religion at all!
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  A wife's submission

  by Mark_C in

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  i'm relatively new to the faith, and struggle with many concepts and teachings.

  i am getting married soon.

  part of the teaching i've experienced is that a wife must learn submission to her husband.

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  “you can make some of the N.T appear to support all sorts of things too if you want”

  Quite agree, and I also agree there is a big difference between the way women are viewed in the NT over the OT. But the NT is still rooted in the OT, and if MarK_C is contemplating a life devoted to Jehovah, then he (and his fiancée) need to understand how Jehovah views women, and Lev 12 is as good a quote as any (for Jehovah doesn’t change). The womanly submission thing is carried forward into Christianity, “let women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but let them be in subjection, even as the Law says. If, then, they want to learn something, let them question their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a congregation.” (1 Cor 14:34-35). And a little earlier is the oft quoted verse used by the WT that “the head of a woman is the man”, and if you want more, see 1 Tim 2 11-12 (I do not permit women to ... exercise authority over a man). The NT may not sanction misogyny, but women are still second class citizens in it, at least while they are on earth.
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  THE GOOD NEWS WILL BE POSTED LATER TODAY!!!!!

  by EndofMysteries in

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  a video will be posted later today where all the mysteries of god, the disgusting thing causing desolation, all the contradictions in the bible, why god in the old testament seemed so cruel, why was satan created if god is good, how is god love?

  all of the prophecies jesus had foretold which were hidden and lost yet being fullfilled the entire time.

  this is the good news that will then spread worldwide, and then the end will come.

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  Congratulations again EoM - you have made a second double-digit page thread about nonsense in less than a week. Is that some kind of a record?
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  A wife's submission

  by Mark_C in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm relatively new to the faith, and struggle with many concepts and teachings.

  i am getting married soon.

  part of the teaching i've experienced is that a wife must learn submission to her husband.

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  "I was convinced they had no mandate from scripture to put women down ."

  I’m not so sure, as others on this thread have pointed out; a lot of what’s in the Bible is a hangover from the days of tent dwelling nomadic tribes, a nd cannot be wished away. Even bearing a female child made a woman twice as unclean as bearing a male one (Lev 12). Marc_C, if, in spite of all the information available to you, you still believe that being a dub is for you, then go ahead, but don’t expect Armageddon in your lifetime. Or your children’s lifetime, or your grandchildren’s lifetime. Dubs have been doing that for over a hundred years and all it brings is disappointment . Make sure your children get a good and full education, and fulfil their full potential. But beware of women who want to be equal to men! As someone much cleverer than me once put it, a woman who wants to be equal to a man lacks ambition.
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  First time poster, Long time Lurker

  by BackSlider in

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Welcome Backslider. I find your observation fascinating. With the indefinitely expanding “generation” they don't need to abandon 1914 , but to harmonise with accepted history they do. I would not be a bit surprised if your explanations turn out to true.
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  A big shift in the world is about to happen......

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.

  infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.

  it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.

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  I said before that this is the most ridiculous thread I have come across, but then I haven’t read those from OBVES or Larsinger58 yet, but I’ll get around to it. I love the way this absurd nonsense keeps generating more and more comments, well done EoM - and here I am adding one more.

  EoM, you said on page 6, "The big answer I had been looking for and where for year everything had been leading me to came yesterday. The full real truth of the bible cover to finish … You'll see all the hundreds of religious sects go down because all the contradictions and such WERE there for a reason and the truth ties every part together so they are gone." and "Those of you who have become athiests and agnostic, prepare to have full faith restored … Every single thing that has stumbled anybody in the bible, every single that that hasn't made sense, all of those doubts are going to be gone and every contradiction is about to make full sense." Fantastic, I look forward to it. Make sure you include Reuters, all the heads of state, and all of the world’s religious leaders in your findings.
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

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  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  "I would LOVE to believe in universalism. I just can't find that teaching in the Bible myself" sounds very much like a dub saying "I would love to believe Armageddon isn't coming to destroy everybody, but I can't find it in the Watchtower". If something is morally repugnant it has to be rejected whether it's in ones cherished "source of knowledge" or not. And if it is, one needs to question that "source of knowledge". If there's one thing I learned from being a dib, that's it.
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
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  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Eternal destruction and eternal punishment are completely different, I'm astonished you can even ask the question. I know which I would prefer. And "I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:24) seems pretty painful to me (assuming Luke is not symbolic that is).
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
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  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Well Christ Alone, that's one thing you believe the Watchtower was right on!
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  Was the Watchtower Right?

  by Christ Alone in

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  this question is for atheists and believers.

  what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?

  do you still think they are right about the trinity?

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  But DOES the Bible teach Hell?

  I think, as Heaven has already said, the answer is Yes and No! There are plenty of scriptures referring to the soul as being mortal, and plenty that speak of Hell. It’s what makes Christianity so fragmented. If you accept the Bible as the infallible, non-contradictory, inspired word of God then you have to accept position A and interpreted all the scriptures that disagree with it, or accept position B and interpret all the scriptures that disagree with that. And with dozens of combinations at your disposal, you have the potential for hundreds of denominations all sincerely believing that their position is the right one. The only real problem comes when one of them claims that they are the only true one and all the rest are controlled by Satan. But surely, no one would ever fall for that nonsense would they?